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romney would have no foreign policy of it in the head and now fox news is trying to make president obama look like a foreign policy quack too is this the right's plan the heading into november and their so-called october surprise for american voters and from paper and pens to computers and desk chairs staples business model as all of your office needs covered unfortunately staples business model has the destruction of the american economy covered to tell you why and i still eat it. most of the...
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obama and romney will come well prepared for that. it's how they conduct themselves, how they come across to viewers and a lot of that's very, very personal. frankly, you can't really rehearse it. that's what makes the anticipation so high. the expectation game so important, it's the unscripted moment that people are watching for. bill? >> bill: 50 million plus americans watching four years ago. huge audience. >>> 25-year-old who graduated from college earned a law degree and passed the florida bar exam. now fighting to get his law license. the problem was and is, he's an illegal immigrant. he came to the u.s. with his parents at the age of nine on a visitor's visa and when that expired, they never left. now he's hoping to convince the florida supreme court to let him practice law, even though he's undocumented. at a hearing today, the justices appeared skeptical, questioning whether they have the authority to do so since it's against federal law. they also talked about delaying a decision to see if the man gets a work permit under pr
obama and romney will come well prepared for that. it's how they conduct themselves, how they come across to viewers and a lot of that's very, very personal. frankly, you can't really rehearse it. that's what makes the anticipation so high. the expectation game so important, it's the unscripted moment that people are watching for. bill? >> bill: 50 million plus americans watching four years ago. huge audience. >>> 25-year-old who graduated from college earned a law degree and...
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>>guest: actually, it is a failing obama agenda. we use this to highlight to the public how soon, it has only been 3 1/2 years when gas was $1.84 a gallon the week president obama took office. we want president obama to stop the failed policy and implement policies that will bring the price gas back down the we had a set number, 150, and so many shows up we raised the number to 250 and over course of two hours we were able to sell gas for $1.84 in the flint, michigan, area. >>neil: when they hear that is what gas was, when the president first took office, are they surprised? >>guest: they are very surprised. people started lining up at 11:00 and we did not give gas out until 2:30. a lost them wanted their receipt to prove they paid $1.84 for gas. >>neil: do you find it interesting the gas thing has not resonated to the degree that many in the. one of my many crackpot theories is that it has been this way it is long that it is kind of like the pathetic economic numbers which have been muddling and as long as they are not tumbling, me
>>guest: actually, it is a failing obama agenda. we use this to highlight to the public how soon, it has only been 3 1/2 years when gas was $1.84 a gallon the week president obama took office. we want president obama to stop the failed policy and implement policies that will bring the price gas back down the we had a set number, 150, and so many shows up we raised the number to 250 and over course of two hours we were able to sell gas for $1.84 in the flint, michigan, area. >>neil:...
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president obama voted a few times to keep this tax. we think it's a wrong tax because you already paid tax on this. >> reporter: again, you can expect to her more on the debt, social security and medicare during tomorrow night's debate. be sure to tune in tomorrow night 8:55 eastern as megyn, bret baier and the entire fox news political team brings you complete coverage and analysis of the very first debate between president obama and governor mitt romney. fox news alert for you right now. this a news conference underway concerning breaking news in the presidential race. a pennsylvania judge decide tog puing to put a voter i.d. law on hold. this is a ruling that has upset conservatives already. some are calling it a victory for voter shaun. eric shawn is live with here. >> reporter: they are calling this decision a big win, the aclu. at pennsylvania when you show up at the polls in november you will be asked, or you could be asked to show your voter i.d., but understand this new ruling you don't have to show it. both sides indeed calli
president obama voted a few times to keep this tax. we think it's a wrong tax because you already paid tax on this. >> reporter: again, you can expect to her more on the debt, social security and medicare during tomorrow night's debate. be sure to tune in tomorrow night 8:55 eastern as megyn, bret baier and the entire fox news political team brings you complete coverage and analysis of the very first debate between president obama and governor mitt romney. fox news alert for you right...
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you'll remember that there were many debates that then candidate barack obama and now president obama did in the democrat primary four years ago as well as mitt romney had debates four years ago and also in this most recent primary. president obama does have the advantage of having done the one on one with john mccain four years ago. he went one on one with mccain. he did very well. most would say he beat john mccain. so i think -- i think the onerous is on president obama. >> the director of debates at southern illinois university wrote an op-ed for cnn and said both have strengths and weaknesses and this will be one of the most important presidential debates we've seen in history. here's how he outlines it. when you talk about romney's strength he says he's smooth, knowledge able, excellent first lines and tends to pivot. he says president obama, his strengths, he can be detached, he has an ability to focus and crystallize that's very strong on his reasoning. donna, do you see either one of these as being accurate here? do you think that there's some sort of opportunity, if you will
you'll remember that there were many debates that then candidate barack obama and now president obama did in the democrat primary four years ago as well as mitt romney had debates four years ago and also in this most recent primary. president obama does have the advantage of having done the one on one with john mccain four years ago. he went one on one with mccain. he did very well. most would say he beat john mccain. so i think -- i think the onerous is on president obama. >> the...
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president obama urges regular screenings like mammograms as a key to early detection. >>> president obama and mitt romney are preparing for their debate. governor o'malley is challenging another -- >> a mcdonald spokesperson calls the offer nice, but rejected the invitation saying we have our own gubernatorial version of a push-up contest. spoiler alert, virginia wins. both states unemployment rates rose slightly in july. virginia jumped to 9.5%, maryland 7%. >>> let's take a look at some of the stories we are following on news 4 this afternoon. coming up on news 4 at 4:00, what will the first lady get the president for their 20th anniversary. we'll find out. we'll have a sneak peek at mrs. oba obama's trip. >> what one mom does while her baby naps? at 5:00, a mammogram finding the smallest tumors ever detected allowing women to get treatment earlier than ever. >> how to get in on what's sweeping the nation. >> tom has it. >> there's still seats open on the bandwagon. >> what a wonderful thing. i'm following baseball all my life. this is so exciting. the rain threatened the game last nigh
president obama urges regular screenings like mammograms as a key to early detection. >>> president obama and mitt romney are preparing for their debate. governor o'malley is challenging another -- >> a mcdonald spokesperson calls the offer nice, but rejected the invitation saying we have our own gubernatorial version of a push-up contest. spoiler alert, virginia wins. both states unemployment rates rose slightly in july. virginia jumped to 9.5%, maryland 7%. >>> let's...
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the problem was that obama won single women by 45 points,72-27. so single women are a critical voting bloc for president obama, and they are the basis for the war on women, for sandra fluke, for the life of julia. the question is, is that going to be enough to win him the white house again in november? jenna: so let's talk about those specific blocs and how you speak to them as a candidate. kimberly strases el of "the wall street journal" had an interesting article on this on friday, and she argued that it's not the democrats ea platform that's more attractive to women, it's that women appreciate that they're being spoken to directly. sabrina, do you think that's a problem that the gop has? >> yeah, i think there are a lot of women in the middle, um, who don't necessarily identify with that gender feminism and the pandering that's going on in the left, but they don't necessarily identify with the social conservativism of the right x. republicans are less comfortable sort of playing gender politics. the thing that we try to everyone ice at iwf is t
the problem was that obama won single women by 45 points,72-27. so single women are a critical voting bloc for president obama, and they are the basis for the war on women, for sandra fluke, for the life of julia. the question is, is that going to be enough to win him the white house again in november? jenna: so let's talk about those specific blocs and how you speak to them as a candidate. kimberly strases el of "the wall street journal" had an interesting article on this on friday,...
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and if you are barack obama don't go back. and the environment you try to change so each will make their case. when you can do better even barack obama says we do better and hope we can and met romney says we can do better but in the end americans want to see who will guide them. connell: there have been a bunch of articles that these debates don't always change things and mitt romney has to hope that the polls are not what they are. neil: we discussed this last week. a call among all of the -- polling groups gathering in a room -- we try to stick it to mitt romney. there might be a statistical quirk that favors democrats because of the sampling in 2008. it is outside the margin of error. why i they so close? i know that stuff like you do. in these swing states, ken-4 and from 6 to 3. don't hold me to that the states are swinging differently. they are tightening up which is the nature of the beast. everyone talks about the undecided voters. i think it is about winning over those who made up their minds. a lot of nixon's suppor
and if you are barack obama don't go back. and the environment you try to change so each will make their case. when you can do better even barack obama says we do better and hope we can and met romney says we can do better but in the end americans want to see who will guide them. connell: there have been a bunch of articles that these debates don't always change things and mitt romney has to hope that the polls are not what they are. neil: we discussed this last week. a call among all of the --...
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president obama has been practicing, no doubt. it's harder for a president to do, because he's busier and doesn't like being addressed in sortative challenging way. >> this president likes to practice in a stealth way. >> that's true. i'm sure he will be prepared. >> james fallows, thank you very much. >> my pleasure. >>> american airlines is facing new trouble this morning, faa is investigating at least two incidents where a row of passenger seats came loose in mid flight. mark strassmann is here with the story. >> inspectors look for signs of more problems. for now it doesn't look like it was caused intentionally during a dispute with its pilots. >> american 443. the airplane is flying fine. we have seats loose in the back. we have to return. >> 757 jet has been forced to land after a row of seats detached from the floor and the tracking mechanism that keeps them in place. flight 443 ran into the problem monday on its way to miami less than an hour after take iing of from new york's jfk airport. >> we're just going to to have to
president obama has been practicing, no doubt. it's harder for a president to do, because he's busier and doesn't like being addressed in sortative challenging way. >> this president likes to practice in a stealth way. >> that's true. i'm sure he will be prepared. >> james fallows, thank you very much. >> my pleasure. >>> american airlines is facing new trouble this morning, faa is investigating at least two incidents where a row of passenger seats came loose in...
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mitt romney attacked obama's decision... said standing up to china was "bad for the nation and our workers." how can mitt romney take on the cheaters... when he's taking their side? customer erin swenson bought from us online today. so, i'm happy. sales go up... i'm happy. it went out today... i'm happy. what if she's not home? (together) she won't be happy. use ups! she can get a text alert, reroute... even reschedule her package. it's ups my choice. are you happy? i'm happy. i'm happy. i'm happy. i'm happy. i'm happy. happy. happy. happy. happy. (together) happy. i love logistics. when you take a closer look... ...at the best schools in the world... ...you see they all have something very interesting in common. they have teachers... ...with a deeper knowledge of their subjects. as a result, their students achieve at a higher level. let's develop more stars in education. let's invest in our teachers... ...so they can inspire our students. let's solve this. >>> as we hit new record mortgage rates, i just sat down with the ce
mitt romney attacked obama's decision... said standing up to china was "bad for the nation and our workers." how can mitt romney take on the cheaters... when he's taking their side? customer erin swenson bought from us online today. so, i'm happy. sales go up... i'm happy. it went out today... i'm happy. what if she's not home? (together) she won't be happy. use ups! she can get a text alert, reroute... even reschedule her package. it's ups my choice. are you happy? i'm happy. i'm...
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president obama and i both care about poor and middle-class families. the difference is my policies will make things better for them. we shouldn't measure compassion by how many people are on welfare. we should measure compassion by how many people are able to get off welfare and get a good paying job. my plan will create twelve million new jobs over the next four years helping lift families out of poverty and strengthening the middle-class. i'm mitt romney and i approve this message because we can't afford another four years like the last four years. ♪ >>> this comes to us from the discovery channel. it shows what happens when you crash a jet liner on purpose. you see the pilot bailing out before it hits the ground. it's part of a special that airs sunday on the discovery channel. >>> welcome back to "cbs this morning." there's rising anger in southern california over border patrol agent who shot and killed a mother of five on friday. >> officials say the agent was trying to save his own life. police in california will still investigating, as bill wh
president obama and i both care about poor and middle-class families. the difference is my policies will make things better for them. we shouldn't measure compassion by how many people are on welfare. we should measure compassion by how many people are able to get off welfare and get a good paying job. my plan will create twelve million new jobs over the next four years helping lift families out of poverty and strengthening the middle-class. i'm mitt romney and i approve this message because we...
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gen sacky who is the spokes person for president obama trying to down play president obama's possible performance. saying he has a tendency to give long winded substantative answers comprehend they give us concrete answers. >> steve: last thing the obama people want is for the president to lecture mitt romney and united states of america. poem in the romney camp. usually the contender gets a bounce simply by being on the same stage that's what will happen to mitt romney tomorrow this is going to be part-two of our strategy where a lot of people have never seen mitt romney before. first roll out in the rnc. >> gretchen: people who watch honey booboo, don't know much about mitt romney. it is going to be a debate in the university of denver. brit hume had busies to say about bill oriley. >> look an incumben running with a record like this and the economy still in serious shape many people are predicting a new risession and all of the trouble he had over seas he ought to be in a lot of trouble it is surprising to many people he is ahead . we think that manage will happen. mitt romney is a
gen sacky who is the spokes person for president obama trying to down play president obama's possible performance. saying he has a tendency to give long winded substantative answers comprehend they give us concrete answers. >> steve: last thing the obama people want is for the president to lecture mitt romney and united states of america. poem in the romney camp. usually the contender gets a bounce simply by being on the same stage that's what will happen to mitt romney tomorrow this is...
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president obama and i both care about poor and middle-class families. the difference is my policies will make things better for them. we shouldn't measure compassion by how many people are on welfare. we should measure compassion by how many people are able to get off welfare and get a good paying job. my plan will create twelve million new jobs over the next four years helping lift families out of poverty and strengthening the middle-class. i'm mitt romney and i approve this message because we can't afford another four years like the last four years. ♪ >>> welcome back. hook who's sporting the nats gear. >> getting excited. trying to figure out who they're going to play and when. >> trying to get tickets already. >> standing room only. >> you can get the $30 tickets. >> it's worth it. it could be years. >> we need some music from we are the champions. who is that, queen? >> that's queen, of course. >> it is a festive day. >> this is a big day. i mean other than the capitals, we've had nothing to celebrate for years around here. >> even they didn't --
president obama and i both care about poor and middle-class families. the difference is my policies will make things better for them. we shouldn't measure compassion by how many people are on welfare. we should measure compassion by how many people are able to get off welfare and get a good paying job. my plan will create twelve million new jobs over the next four years helping lift families out of poverty and strengthening the middle-class. i'm mitt romney and i approve this message because we...
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it's enough that i'm not barack obama. it's enough that i'm a business guy who is running for president and people should just vote for me because they have no reason to like obama. if he goes in with that attitude, i frankly think that's a loser. i think he has to go in and talk about the future and if he's going to talk about the future and what kind of country he wants us to have, he's got to be specific about these concrete issues. what are you going to do with medicare? >> hold on for one second, though, obama has not laid out a specific plan. obama has put out a cap for medicare, but he hasn't said do you want to raise the eligibility age that you talked about with john boehner. we can assume he will, but he hasn't said so. >> he has a specific plan for medicare, you may say it's not enough, not going to work, but he has a specific plan for medicare involving this thing called the ipad and a lot of things we're not going to get into. >> no, that's not the totality of his plan. he said he's going to do more but he has
it's enough that i'm not barack obama. it's enough that i'm a business guy who is running for president and people should just vote for me because they have no reason to like obama. if he goes in with that attitude, i frankly think that's a loser. i think he has to go in and talk about the future and if he's going to talk about the future and what kind of country he wants us to have, he's got to be specific about these concrete issues. what are you going to do with medicare? >> hold on...
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today the obama campaign sending first lady michelle obama on the trail to talk to supporters in cincinnati. >>> overseas, nato secretary-general says there is a possibility western forces could be withdrawn from afghanistan more quickly than previously planned. they suggested the deadly spike of insider attacks has hit the morale of foreign troops serving in the war zone. u.s. military officials say an attack on saturday that killed two americans was especially unnerving as several afghan soldiers and possibly insurgents opened fire from several directions. nbc's chief foreign correspondent, richard engel, has been covering this war for almost the full 11 years. he filed this report from kabul. >> reporter: this woman is about to die. executed for adultery. the man she was with got off scot-free. the taliban recently filmed this video of their justice as a warning and to say they're making a comeback. some 30 miles away in the village, we saw few signs of what the u.s. would consider progress in afghanistan and no evidence that the american plan to hand over to a credible, stable afghan go
today the obama campaign sending first lady michelle obama on the trail to talk to supporters in cincinnati. >>> overseas, nato secretary-general says there is a possibility western forces could be withdrawn from afghanistan more quickly than previously planned. they suggested the deadly spike of insider attacks has hit the morale of foreign troops serving in the war zone. u.s. military officials say an attack on saturday that killed two americans was especially unnerving as several...
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what about president obama, what does he have to do? >> president obama is sitting on a lead. he's looking good. the race seems like it has broken. his strategy will be to sort of play defense. not make any mistakes, play it very safe. he's got to stick to the strategy, which is emphasize the positives in the last four years and do what he's been doing, attack romney, attack him on that 47%. the other thing obama has to do, he's done a little bit but he hasn't to a certain degree is lay out specifics for a second term. if you look at the swing voters, they want to know what they're going to do. he's got to do that a little bit more. finally, in previous debates where obama has gotten in trouble, he seemed cocky and overconfident. >> there's a lot of talk about that. he could create trouble for himself if he goes down that road. that comes naturally. how do you overcome that? >> a lot of people have been talking about with hillary clinton when he said you're likeable enough, hillary. that was a similar dynamic. obama was winning the likability race there. he said it almost in a
what about president obama, what does he have to do? >> president obama is sitting on a lead. he's looking good. the race seems like it has broken. his strategy will be to sort of play defense. not make any mistakes, play it very safe. he's got to stick to the strategy, which is emphasize the positives in the last four years and do what he's been doing, attack romney, attack him on that 47%. the other thing obama has to do, he's done a little bit but he hasn't to a certain degree is lay...
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president obama is taking the personal approach to nail down votes. >> this is barack obama. >> reporter: and like romney, the president sees this debate as a chance to talk to america. >> it's a choice between two different paths for this country. it's a choice between two fundamentally different visions for our nation. >> reporter: the president has a lead in all nine of the key battleground states, including ohio, which begins early balloting today. >> romney's task is difficult because he has to redefine himself as well as redefining the election. >> reporter: an election only 35 days away but still far from over. and the first debate is on the domestic issues that are defining this election. >>> ryan moore in washington. thanks. >>> the candidates for the u.s. senate seat in massachusetts, scott brown and elizabeth warren, debated for the second time last night. the two were combative as they staked out opposite issues from jobs and bringing troops home. david gregory from "meet the press" as moderator, they clashed over brown's claim of partisan independence. >> if he's re-elected,
president obama is taking the personal approach to nail down votes. >> this is barack obama. >> reporter: and like romney, the president sees this debate as a chance to talk to america. >> it's a choice between two different paths for this country. it's a choice between two fundamentally different visions for our nation. >> reporter: the president has a lead in all nine of the key battleground states, including ohio, which begins early balloting today. >> romney's...
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president obama training in nevada. you may have heard my opponent and i are going to have a debate i'm looking forward to it? >> we are too. >> the media is speculating who is going to have the best zingers, governor romney is a good debater. i'm just okay mitt romney already in denver prepping for wednesday's big event. with us now is fox news senior analyst brit hume. i think the expectations for this debated are too high. people, particularly conservative americans, republicans are kinding expecting mitt romney to go out there and do something. i don't know if that's even possible right now. the public broadly speaking expects mitt romney to win. low expectations i suppose. the history as your comments suggest is that debates don't tend to change the trajectory of a presidential race very much. there has been a few cases where they have but just a few you are looking at this stage if you are a romney voter or fan for something that would change the apparent course of the election which you look at the thing national
president obama training in nevada. you may have heard my opponent and i are going to have a debate i'm looking forward to it? >> we are too. >> the media is speculating who is going to have the best zingers, governor romney is a good debater. i'm just okay mitt romney already in denver prepping for wednesday's big event. with us now is fox news senior analyst brit hume. i think the expectations for this debated are too high. people, particularly conservative americans, republicans...
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obama got a four-point bounce to put him in the lead by six. the president's favorable rating meantime remains above the crucial 50% mark at 52%. mr. romney is close but still in negative territory at 49%. he enjoys an edge on handling the deficit and joblessness, but trails on virtually every other big issue, including medicare, taxes and foreign policy. keeping them honest, when it comes to some of those issues, both candidates have come up short either on specifics or credibility. issues like cutting taxes without ballooning the deficit or burdening the middle class. the romney campaign has been asked again and again for specifics. here's running mate paul ryan just yesterday on fox news. >> there's been a traditional democrat and republican consensus lowering tax rates by broadening the tax base works. and you can -- >> i have to -- you haven't given me the math. >> well, i don't have -- it would take me too long to go through all of the math. >> chris wallace kept trying but came away empty-handed. he's not the only one. take a look. >> wh
obama got a four-point bounce to put him in the lead by six. the president's favorable rating meantime remains above the crucial 50% mark at 52%. mr. romney is close but still in negative territory at 49%. he enjoys an edge on handling the deficit and joblessness, but trails on virtually every other big issue, including medicare, taxes and foreign policy. keeping them honest, when it comes to some of those issues, both candidates have come up short either on specifics or credibility. issues...
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obama has in the most recent polls? you have some enthusiastic people behind you tonight. but president obama has had a good lead in ohio and now it's been opened up in one poll by nine points. are you concerned about overconfidence? the columbus dispatch ohio poll has obama at 51% and romney at 42%. how crucial is early voting when you look at this this number? >> it's very crucial, ed. although i'm pleased the president is up by nine points. it's important folks come out to vote. the final count is when people cast their ballots and not necessarily by the polls. so we can't get overconfident. it's not over until it's over and that's november 6th. but we can start to vote early and start to show our support for president obama. we can show our support for our federal senator sherrod brown and show our support up and down the ticket here in ohio starting tomorrow at 8:00 a.m. and we are here to make sure that our president knows that we have his back, the same way he's had ours in the state of ohio. >> senator, why do y
obama has in the most recent polls? you have some enthusiastic people behind you tonight. but president obama has had a good lead in ohio and now it's been opened up in one poll by nine points. are you concerned about overconfidence? the columbus dispatch ohio poll has obama at 51% and romney at 42%. how crucial is early voting when you look at this this number? >> it's very crucial, ed. although i'm pleased the president is up by nine points. it's important folks come out to vote. the...
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remember when obama was running for president? he said vote for me and your insurance premiums will go down $2500. here's a $5500 difference for the average american family. what does this administration say about it? oh, forget that, forget that. >> greta: in case anyone out there thinks this is fanciful, already lockheed martin has taken the beat. lockheed martin announcing today they will not issue layoffs, even though they know right now there's a $500 billion cut coming up. they announced they will not issue layoff notices, in violation of the law. here's the twist. lock heed is one of the biggest employers in state of virginia, a swing state. >> look, there's no question this is all about politics. let me just say, i don't so much blame lockheed martin, but the truth is the democratic side who wanted to make these defense cuts, and the average lockheed martin employees, any other defense contractor, their jobs are in jeopardy because the left would not agree and we ended up with huge defense cuts if the sequestration takes p
remember when obama was running for president? he said vote for me and your insurance premiums will go down $2500. here's a $5500 difference for the average american family. what does this administration say about it? oh, forget that, forget that. >> greta: in case anyone out there thinks this is fanciful, already lockheed martin has taken the beat. lockheed martin announcing today they will not issue layoffs, even though they know right now there's a $500 billion cut coming up. they...
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debates are even a draw i think the president will win just a few states for obama to cross that finish line a seriously it's october first so are these polls the biggest news story right now you know what i think is more interesting than a pre-determined election outcome the fact that secrecy about surveillance has increased ten fold under obama than under bush it's got to the chase here since two thousand and nine electoral votes are valence of americans specifically penn registers and trap and trace devices on the phones went from twenty four thousand to nearly thirty eight thousand cases let me make this more visual for you before you request by the a.c.l.u. revealed that more people were subject to some form of surveillance in the past two years and the entire previous decade over the past couple of years there's also been a rise in tracking and surveillance of e-mail network communications and the type of online surveillance that was rarely used in the past but we've learned from the d.o.j. that it's actually increased by a whopping three hundred and sixty one percent between the
debates are even a draw i think the president will win just a few states for obama to cross that finish line a seriously it's october first so are these polls the biggest news story right now you know what i think is more interesting than a pre-determined election outcome the fact that secrecy about surveillance has increased ten fold under obama than under bush it's got to the chase here since two thousand and nine electoral votes are valence of americans specifically penn registers and trap...